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	Forwarded this email? Subscribe here for more   Watch now   Live with Katie Phang and Joyce Vance If you missed us live earlier tonight, watch the video now! Joyce Vance and Katie Phang Apr 30   READ IN APP   Thanks to everyone who joined us tonight for our conversation about the rule of law and democracy. Were we nerdy? Yes. Did Katie swear? Yes (but appropriately so). If you’ve ever wondered what we talk about behind the scenes, this is what it’s like. If you’ve ever wanted to go to law school, or if you miss law school, or if you just love the law, this one is for you! From the birthright citizenship case that is headed to the Supreme Court, to our views on Trump’s defiance of court orders in Abrego Garcia and other deportation cases, this is us, sharing our views with you. We loved seeing your comments and where you were joining from. The best part of Substack Live for me is that we’re all connecting in real-time, learning, and even laughing together. I’ll be back Thursday night with a special Law Day Substack Live. Hope to see you then! We’re in this together, Joyce Upgrade to paid Share A guest post by Katie Phang Truth-Teller | Independent Journalist and Legal Analyst | Trial Lawyer | Fighting for OUR Democracy | "Though She Be But Little, She Is Fierce" Subscribe to Katie You're currently a free subscriber to Civil Discourse with Joyce Vance . For the full experience, upgrade your subscription. Upgrade to paid   Like Comment Restack   © 2025 Joyce Vance 548 Market Street PMB 72296, San Francisco, CA 94104 Unsubscribe